Chase Garbarino

Every time a 20-something Entrepreneur Says “VCs need to be more casual,” smack them.

Ok, maybe you shouldn’t smack them, but you should give them a verbal smack for the good of the startup community in the area.

We are currently experiencing a “startup renaissance,” in Boston as described by Laura Fitton of oneforty.  Great excitement is developing around small technology companies in the area. Too often, however, I hear conversation at events and on blog posts drift to the same old gripe: “VC’s in Boston don’t invest enough in young entrepreneurs.”  I have written before about what I think we ought to be doing instead of whining about a lack of VC money for young entrepreneurs, and will be writing soon about why the notion that young people can’t raise money here is false. This post will make the case that this whining doesn’t just waste time, it hurts the cause of young entrepreneurs in the area.

VCs can not, should not, and absolutely, one-hundred percent, will not be more “casual” when it comes to investing in young, inexperienced entrepreneurs.  Here’s a quick VC 101 class:

  • VC’s invest the money of rich people, big companies, institutions, etc.
  • These people expect their money back and then some.  Usually in about a 10 year period.
  • Something like 95% of startups “fail”, so a VC’s main job is to say no to most deals they see.  Sucks, right?
  • Since co’s they invest in will fail, they need to have enough money in the winners to generate enough of a return to at least make up for those that failed.
  • VC’s main limitation is not capital, it is their time spent on making sure the capital invested produces winners.
  • Current event update: some VC’s will now be facing problems regarding limited capital.

What this boils down to is that VC’s have to be the opposite of casual with the money they invest.  While I agree that West Coast VC’s are more willing to invest in young, first-time entrepreneurs, this does not equate them to being more flippant about their capital.  Every time a young entrepreneur makes the argument that VC’s in the Boston area are too uptight about their investments, it hurts all of the young entrepreneurs in the area because it signals that young’uns don’t understand how VC works, which ultimately raises questions about how well we understand the process of building a company that can scale and provide a return in the ballpark that VC’s need.

So if you are a young entrepreneur in the area, like those of us over here at Pinyadda, here’s what we need to do reverse this trend:

First, we need to change our language when discussing the investment culture in the area.  Rather than arguing that VC’s are too “uptight” or “not casual enough”, we need to make a case for why it is simply bad business to not seriously consider investing in young, first-time entrepreneurs.

Second, all young entrepreneurs should educated themselves about the specific VC fund they interact with and do some math.  You can pretty easily figure out how big their fund is, how much money they look to invest in each portfolio company, and how many companies they plan on investing in, which will give you a good idea of whether or not you are a match for them on a purely numbers basis.

Third, while I think it hurts the community to be calling VC’s uptight regarding their investments, I am all for a little trash talk when it comes to calling them uptight about socializing with the startup community.  We are yet to have a single VC come to a Tech Hub Foosball event, which simply consists of cool people, working on cool things, playing Foosball and drinking beer.  Not coming to these events is no doubt bad business!  So please tweet/email this to the VC’s you know and let them know next week’s event is at Beta House, and the week after that is going to be at Oneforty’s office.

What does everybody think?  Am I wrong about the virtual smack?  Are VC’s just too damn uptight about investing in young entrepreneurs?  Let me have it in the comments!

Chase Garbarino is the CEO and Co-founder of Pinyadda, BostInnovation’s parent company.

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  • bsrubin
    We've raised over $14M in capital for Zeo - a Boston based startup. 95% of that capital, including 2 venture firms (Trident, idSoft) has come from the west coast. For us its mostly about investment focus. Our company is in consumer health (sleep tracking and self-improvement). Good luck finding such investors in Boston. This was a major pain for us - lots of travel at least. There is no blame to be placed on Boston investors in this case - it's just a matter of critical mass in an industry not being here. Overall we have found Boston VCs to be just as receptive, friendly, etc. as West Coast - just different focus areas.
  • Times are different from the early web 2.0 days, when every idea was founded by VC’s. The new times are: did your startups achieve market fit, does your startup have traction; do you have a working business model? These are the question VC’s want to hear yes to, before VC’c even considers investing in you and your team. If you are a first time entrepreneur and were able to achieve all these crucial steps in your first go, then congrats if not, get your ass up and get some experience. VC’s, are looking for a track record. Let’s focus on growing our startup first then think about going for VC’s money. Angle investor and programs like techstarts are great for a first time entrepreneur’s. This people are also willing to mentor you and your Business.

    Chase, you know what would be a great blog post how you manage to convince each one of your team members to join you and start Pinyadda with you?
  • Couldn't agree more with you, Kevin.

    If you guys are gonna be so tightly associated with BostInnovation (Chase is co-founder, after all)...lift the shroud on Pinyadda a bit. We'd all benefit.
  • I think it might make sense for most young entrepreneurs to be speaking with Angels and seed round firms rather than VCs
  • cgarb
    Agreed - the post I reference in at the beginning of this article talks a little bit about what early startups should be doing rather than talking to VCs, and I basically am reiterating what Dave McClure preaches and he actually knows what he is talking about, compared to yours truly!
  • Hey Chase, I think this is a great post and I think you strike the right balance between the VC and entrepreneur sides. The good news is that even VCs are doing more seed investments -we took that path at Going, and since then CRV, Spark and others have formalized their programs- even though seeds do have their wrinkles.

    Agree with your points: VCs should reach out to the community more, and entrepreneurs need to get edumacated and take a harder look at themselves as well
  • cgarb
    Thanks Roy. It was interesting to read a while back that CRV actually gave a lot of the money they raised back to their LPs to shift to more of this early stage focus - I personally think this is a smart approach for the times considering the minimal amounts of capital it take to bring a web product to market, helps focus co's on building things people use rather than planning big marketing budgets before testing, and also allows for VCs to settle for smaller exits in shorter time periods.

    I don't have your experience/track record so I'll defer to you regarding the seed programs you mentioned - I don't know of many companies that have raised money from Spark, but would love to hear about the experiences. Not regarding Spark specifically, but I have spoken to a number of VCs who we were not trying to raise money from who said that often times they have the seed programs but reserve this capital for the experienced guys they have worked with before. Do you find this to be true?
  • Agree that a number of firms either do limit their fund size or are taking a serious look at it, and I think that's wise.

    On your question, I actually have not found that to be the case in my experience. I do know of some entrepreneurs who have had some hits and have then taken seed, but I also know many seed deals that really are more "taking a flyer"- in fact that's often why VC seeds get a bad name, because in some cases the involvement and serious consideration for a followon is not as high. Locally, Gemvara is an example of (I believe) a pretty early, super entrepreneur in Matt Lauzon that came out of a VC seed program.
  • Any thoughts on how we can "edumacate" ourselves better?
  • Hey Jason, I think there are a few elements:
    - Really taking some of the Lean tenets to heart, e.g. per Chase's summary of Dave McClure's talk. Really looking ourselves in the mirror and asking, What Problem am I solving, and Who Has This Problem? If not sure, keep researching, it's too early to raise VC.
    - As Tom mentions below, think about the stage you are at. In some stages it makes more sense to continue bootstrapping, or raise some angel, or join an incubator, or go for "real VC." I'm planning to give a talk on this at BarCamp in a few weeks as well as do a blog post about it.
    - Other things VCs take seriously: is it not only a good idea, but has *some* conceivable path to revenue - there is some weariness for pure media plays for example; team-wise, do they have a good balance of skillsets or is it like 3 business people or 3 developers

    (BTW missed ya last night at Twestival, catch ya next time :)
  • Roy,

    Great points. I think one of the most important parts is your talk at Barcamp; we need to make sure these sorts of concepts are widely heard. Hopefully, if we hear things enough times in different mediums, we'll start to pick it up.

    Education is a very underrated aspect of working on the ecosystem; we need to make sure we're productively teaching each other what we really need to know.

    -Jason
  • I agree. A lot of things are very situation-dependent or just kinda complicated, and also things change a lot every 6 months, so continuous discussion and education are key.

    I'm trying to do my part with my new blog, http://how2startup.com. My first real post (picked up by Business Insider :) is about entrepreneurs' real motivations and potential watchouts and real experiences from Going, some stuff that's never been shard before too.

    Look forward to a lively discussion at BarCamp!
  • jwilcox09
    I don't think it has anything to do with age, it has to do with the concept and implementation. I work in a private equity capacity, so i see alot of companies that fail, and its not that they were young owners, but simply that the idea was bad/the implementation was bad. It often ends up that more experienced and older entrepreneurs do better, simply because they have been around the block, but that doesn't mean a young entrepreneur can't succeed.
    The VC's job is not to waste money on cool ideas, but rather to invest wisely in successful businesses that have the capacity to turn a profit in a few years time.
  • cgarb
    I couldn't agree more that it has nothing to do with age - it is good business to be age blind, good ideas and execution come from any age group. And as everyone knows there is no substitute for experience - the most obvious thing to look for when assessing a deal must be experience, since it is the surest way to mitigate risk.

    Let me ask you though, considering that web startups specifically require such a small amount of capital and are typically being kicked off by younger people, do you think investors in the area are missing out on opportunities of pairing some of these startups teams with some more experienced management in order to get the best of both worlds, which you see a lot of out West.
  • jwilcox09
    I would probably say that in some capacity they are missing out on these opportunities, but I think some of the issue might come from young entrepreneur not really knowing what it takes to make a company a really successful from their great idea, but in that regard, I'm not sure experience is the surest way to mitigate risk, because if the idea is good enough, most VCs can hire experience people to do the job and keep the starters in a less of a managing role and more of a creative role.

    Either way, though, I do think that young entrepreneurs ARE missing out, especially in the last few years with VCs having such limited capital to deploy and being under intense pressure from LPs. So the natural reaction from VCs is to close up and go with the experienced team that has less margin or error, but less return potential to appease LPs.
  • cgarb
    I guess I meant by saying VCs can bring in experience to mitigate risk, I meant what you suggested regarding bringing in executives and allowing the founders to stay in creative roles. In the end experience or not it is about execution.

    While VCs are certainly facing more pressure from LPs and it doesn't help with engaging VCs to entertain the idea of working with first timers, I think there was still more hesitancy from the area VCs to invest early stage capital in first-timers even before the poor financial climate came on than from the other Coast.

    However I think the comparison to the West Coast is pointless anyway because we have two very different startup ecosystems, so I really hate when I drift towards evening referencing the West Coast when discussing this stuff.
  • jwilcox09
    haha, i yeah i definately agree that we are totally different from the west coast, and also that the situation was poor previous to the financial condition. However im not sure why that is...maybe has something to do with the mentality of the colleges and universities in the east over the west, which causes the VCs to react differently.
  • Big fan of the virtual smack! Perhaps rather than pointing the finger at VCs, we should turn it around at ourselves. Maybe the 20-somethings need to up their game and become a little more uptight themselves?
  • I think we need to be careful here how far we take this to the other side. I am personally not in support of turning this into a "take a ****" on young entrepreneurs thread, which is what this dances near.

    Yes...there are a lot of things to learn as a young entrepreneur, and one of them is about money and how the investment system works, but the tone of all this is really starting to put everyone down.

    It takes incredible guts to decide to forgo the standard career path at Big Company X to try to create something new and so saying they should be "slapped" or more "uptight" is something I don't support.
  • cgarb
    Ok, let's not going putting words in anyone's mouth now Jason, no one is taking a "****" on young entrepreneurs. We are young entrepreneurs at Pinyadda/BostInno and write about and support a number of young entrepreneurs on this blog.

    The piece isn't meant to be negative a put down young entrepreneurs, but if a little cold hard reality about how VCs work is putting people down than they may have a harder time when they face the actual challenges of trying to create something from nothing.

    The point is to help the inexperienced people working on starting successful companies doing more tactfully and effectively. And I don't know about you but I need a good "slap" once in a while - has helped me learn things along the way.
  • Totally agree, Chase. Some of the best actions come after a healthy "calling out." I just didn't think Sarah's comment was productive to the discussion and want to push for this discussion to be more productive (what should we be doing) than simply negative (slapping).
  • Chase,

    Great points. Hopefully ReWork and discussions around that philosophy can help too; what about businesses that can bootstrap for a long time and not need money? Someone else's money shouldn't be the only way a young entrepreneur can be successful and if nothing else...getting your business further along before going for money can only help your cause (and valuation...).

    Perhaps at some point you/BostInnovation can talk about the funding Pinyadda has and how you got it and are using it. Might be interesting and relevant to others in the community.

    Best,
    -Jason
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